GT86 vs MX5

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:06 pm

Don't know if anyone subscribes to the Autocar magazine, but they have pitted a Toyota 86 against a NC MX5, just got the mag today in the letterbox.

Angreal · Post by **Angreal** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:39 am

Don't leave us hanging... Which was their pick? I'm going to assume the 86 because its new and has hype.

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:35 am

Yes, it was the 86, more powerful (118kw vs 148kw), only slightly heavier by 50odd kg's, handled just about as well as the MX5, had better in gear accelerartion, and most importantly was $15K cheaper (they were testing against the 86 rather than the GT86 which is another $5K more than the standard 86, the TRD86 is over $60K but uses all TRD parts which are expensive)

Angreal · Post by **Angreal** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:53 am

I'd still rather take the original AE86 + cash my way

Nothing like a panda Trueno with tofu decals

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:26 am

Some of the original AE86 are getting up towards the price of the new 86, mint ones go for mid to high $20K

Angreal · Post by **Angreal** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:02 am

I stand corrected then... I would rather a new AE86 if cost was the same

Kieran · Post by **Kieran** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:57 am

New 86 Sucks!!! It has almost put me off ever buying a toyota again the lazy bastards should have done there own R&D and made a revised edition of the 4AGE cause thats what made the original 86 so great

Also I can't stand Boxer engines!!

If they pitted it against the 2014 MX5 it would have been a different story the NC is a Boat!

Angreal · Post by **Angreal** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:25 pm

Kieran wrote:If they pitted it against the 2014 MX5 it would have been a different story the NC is a Boat!

I don't think Toyota have perfected the art of time travel to test against the 2014 MX5...

Kieran wrote:Also I can't stand Boxer engines!!

I like boxer engines but I wouldn't own one based on my friends Legacy that costs a fortune in servicing bills

Kieran · Post by **Kieran** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:31 pm

Angreal wrote:
Kieran wrote:If they pitted it against the 2014 MX5 it would have been a different story the NC is a Boat!
I don't think Toyota have perfected the art of time travel to test against the 2014 MX5...

I mean that when it comes out just because the lastest model NC is not a very good example of how a mx5 should be

punkoutnz · Post by **punkoutnz** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:37 pm

Angreal wrote:
Kieran wrote:If they pitted it against the 2014 MX5 it would have been a different story the NC is a Boat!
I don't think Toyota have perfected the art of time travel to test against the 2014 MX5...

Kieran wrote:Also I can't stand Boxer engines!!
I like boxer engines but I wouldn't own one based on my friends Legacy that costs a fortune in servicing bills

Funny cos the only things that cause boxer engines to fail are
1) lack of servicing and
2) low octane fuel

Detonation causes oil starvation to the crank and makes them run bearings.
Also the people that tend to own the older legacies seem to really skimp on servicing so when things go south they do so in a hurry and a lot of things tend to fail at once.

My V7 sti was the most reliable car I've ever owned! That thing NEVER missed a single beat.

Angreal · Post by **Angreal** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:37 pm

Agreed. They should compare it with Donovan's one when he gets it running swimmingly

Kieran · Post by **Kieran** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:42 pm

punkoutnz wrote: My V7 sti was the most reliable car I've ever owned! That thing NEVER missed a single beat.

Its still a Subaru...

But its not your fault the flat peeks ruined your WRX

Bwarp · Post by **Bwarp** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:02 pm

Would still take an NC over an 86.

86 is just the marketing team playing off cult car status of one of their prev cars to try and have their own s-chassis.

New 86 looks ugly. Why spec them with wheels that wouldnt look out of place in a pre 2006 auto salon show?

YUCK.

Will be 35797 middle aged men thinking theyre Takumi Fujiwara.

Angreal · Post by **Angreal** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:28 pm

punkoutnz wrote:
Angreal wrote:I like boxer engines but I wouldn't own one based on my friends Legacy that costs a fortune in servicing bills
Funny cos the only things that cause boxer engines to fail are
1) lack of servicing and
2) low octane fuel

To do the service/access the spark plugs supposedly they had to drop the engine out. It's the labour bill that was the killer

SLYDIT · Post by **SLYDIT** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:29 pm

Mazda need a kick up the arse. The nc was barely powerful enough in 2005.now seven years later still no real improvement. My god you can buy a freakin people mover with a turbo engine in it. But god forbid they offer their only sports car with one! Dumb arses!

sprsta · Post by **sprsta** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:21 pm

only old/retired people buy brand new mx5s.
for auntie Dora, its not about the wind in your hair while your hammering it around a hairpin type corner
its more about the wind in your hair as your stopping along ponsonby rd to get a coffee on your way to work

Angreal · Post by **Angreal** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:55 pm

Rumour has it the ND is going for the original no power no weight but fun to drive approach? Can't remember the phrase but nomihodai rings a bell... Ah good times in Japan

Bwarp · Post by **Bwarp** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:01 pm

THERES AN ND IN THE WORKS?!?!?!

Angreal · Post by **Angreal** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:20 pm

Best way to get what you want is to start a rumour right?

There was something in the mx5 magazine but it was probably a rumour also

SLYDIT · Post by **SLYDIT** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:55 pm

Angreal wrote:Rumour has it the ND is going for the original no power no weight but fun to drive approach? Can't remember the phrase but nomihodai rings a bell... Ah good times in Japan

a 1.3 turbo or hybrid aint gonna get the blood rushing especially in 2015 greeny save the planet emmissions mode....the age of decent sportscars is truely gone. if they cant even make a decent MX5 then what the hell is there left?
Mazda totally missed the boat from 2000 onwards by:
a) not offering a PROPER turbo NB. and
b) not offering a factory forced induction NC either turbo or supercharged.
i firmly beleive that mazda built that half assed NB turbo just to say "see we tried a turbo and no one bought it" but it was so badly done and too late in that chassis life that it was never going to work.
lets have a look at mazdas line up....

Mazda 6 TURBO
mazda 3 TURBO
Mazda 5(premacy) TURBO
Mazda MPV TURBO
mazda Mx5...........still frekin waiting

Angreal · Post by **Angreal** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:30 pm

There are still some good sports cars out there. I absolutely LOVE the LFA. Just not the pricetag as i'll never ever be able to afford one until petrol runs out...

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:06 am

From what I have read about the new one, they are aiming to have the weight under 1000kg's again. As they are doing a joint venture with Fiat (didn't someone say in this forum that the 86/BRZ is crap because it is a joint venture) there is supposed to be some cross pollenation between the two cars, Fiat doing the styling, Mazda doing the chassis handling.

However, apparently they are going their seperate ways for the engine, which is a bit of a shame. Fiat is apparently look at their 1.4 turbo unit out the 500/Panda, which in Abarth mode runs at 118kw and 250Nm, but more importantly, in Corse spec (a tip to Ferrari model in the 500) does 150kw and 300Nm, which would make things a bit more interesting.

I haven't seen what motor Mazda is knocking around and thinking about using, but if I was to guess, some form of their Skyactive engine, which aren't exactly blood pumping engines.

Timmo · Post by **Timmo** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:47 am

Angreal wrote:Rumour has it the ND is going for the original no power no weight but fun to drive approach? Can't remember the phrase but nomihodai rings a bell... Ah good times in Japan

Haha nomihodai means 'all you can drink'

Angreal · Post by **Angreal** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:52 am

Donovan wrote:From what I have read about the new one, they are aiming to have the weight under 1000kg's again. As they are doing a joint venture with Fiat (didn't someone say in this forum that the 86/BRZ is crap because it is a joint venture) there is supposed to be some cross pollenation between the two cars, Fiat doing the styling, Mazda doing the chassis handling.

However, apparently they are going their seperate ways for the engine, which is a bit of a shame. Fiat is apparently look at their 1.4 turbo unit out the 500/Panda, which in Abarth mode runs at 118kw and 250Nm, but more importantly, in Corse spec (a tip to Ferrari model in the 500) does 150kw and 300Nm, which would make things a bit more interesting.

I haven't seen what motor Mazda is knocking around and thinking about using, but if I was to guess, some form of their Skyactive engine, which aren't exactly blood pumping engines.

I guess a straight swap for the Fiat engine would be easy?

Angreal · Post by **Angreal** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:54 am

Timmo wrote:
Angreal wrote:Rumour has it the ND is going for the original no power no weight but fun to drive approach? Can't remember the phrase but nomihodai rings a bell... Ah good times in Japan
Haha nomihodai means 'all you can drink'

Yeah that's why I loved Japan. Start at the top right and work your way down to the hard stuff at the bottom left of the menu

I think the actual phrase I was after was Jinba Ittai

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