I've got the dreaded droop (idle droop that is ....)
Seems to have got a bit worse since Don popped in a lightened flywheel.
Symptoms are
1) when the throttle is lifted revs drop back to about 1100 & hold for about 2 secs, then drop to about 4-500 & oscilate between 400 & 1100 - sometimes for 20 cycles or so
2) does not seem to occur when the car is cold
I've done the idle screw adjustment as recommended on miata.net
http://www.miata.net/garage/ignition.html#idle
and Rob Spargo's method too (pretty much the same)
http://www.miata.net/garage/KnowYourCar/S7_Idle.html
however the problem persists.
I'm thinking that I perhaps need to go sleuthing for a leak downsteam of the air-flow meter (as per the information on the "supercharger & fast idle" thread). The car doesn't have forced induction though (yet )
Any other thoughts ?
Regards,
Idle droop
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Idle droop - fixed I think !
Well the deed is done.
Some of the threads about supercharger idle (with contribuitons from Slydit - thanks !) started me thinking about whether my O2 sensor was working. Turns out it was located miles downstream of where it should have been (thanks to aftermarket headers) - in fact it was only about 400mm in front of the cat converter by the time the 4-2-1 had done it's stuff. So the poor thing was 1) certainly old & 2) probably cold.
After much deliberation I got a 4 wire Denso sensor off a very late 1.6 NB at Ace of Parts near the Auckland saleyards (the engine only had 2,000 km on it !). I took note of the wire colours on the loom side of the plug that connected the sensor to the loom - that way I thought I could track which sensor wire did what.
Not so easy - tried to use the madracki wiring diagrams but they were only for 1.8 engines & didn't quite match. Ended up ringing the technicians at John Andrew who looked at their diagrams - again they only had 1.8 diagrams but at least their colours matched mine !
Installed the sensor Saturday afternoon - took a couple of hours including farting around getting the car up etc etc.
And the result - great! Running the engine in the garage I seemed to be getting the right range of voltages coming into the PCM. The sensor also got hot if I left the ignition on for a couple of minutes. On the road the car is measurably faster & idles perfectly. Unfortunately I didn't do a performance test with the new O2 only - but the combined effect of a lightened flywheel & the new O2 sensor is a 3.7% improvement in 2,000 to 6,000rpm times in second gear. (OK, OK - I know it's not that scientific but faster is faster no matter how you get it! )
So - there you go. I'll be interested to see the longer term impact on driveability, fuel consumption, colour of exhaust pipe (quite sooty now) & the dreaded droopy idle !
With thanks to Slydit (for techy stuff) & David M (for moral support)
Regards,
Some of the threads about supercharger idle (with contribuitons from Slydit - thanks !) started me thinking about whether my O2 sensor was working. Turns out it was located miles downstream of where it should have been (thanks to aftermarket headers) - in fact it was only about 400mm in front of the cat converter by the time the 4-2-1 had done it's stuff. So the poor thing was 1) certainly old & 2) probably cold.
After much deliberation I got a 4 wire Denso sensor off a very late 1.6 NB at Ace of Parts near the Auckland saleyards (the engine only had 2,000 km on it !). I took note of the wire colours on the loom side of the plug that connected the sensor to the loom - that way I thought I could track which sensor wire did what.
Not so easy - tried to use the madracki wiring diagrams but they were only for 1.8 engines & didn't quite match. Ended up ringing the technicians at John Andrew who looked at their diagrams - again they only had 1.8 diagrams but at least their colours matched mine !
Installed the sensor Saturday afternoon - took a couple of hours including farting around getting the car up etc etc.
And the result - great! Running the engine in the garage I seemed to be getting the right range of voltages coming into the PCM. The sensor also got hot if I left the ignition on for a couple of minutes. On the road the car is measurably faster & idles perfectly. Unfortunately I didn't do a performance test with the new O2 only - but the combined effect of a lightened flywheel & the new O2 sensor is a 3.7% improvement in 2,000 to 6,000rpm times in second gear. (OK, OK - I know it's not that scientific but faster is faster no matter how you get it! )
So - there you go. I'll be interested to see the longer term impact on driveability, fuel consumption, colour of exhaust pipe (quite sooty now) & the dreaded droopy idle !
With thanks to Slydit (for techy stuff) & David M (for moral support)
Regards,
Greg
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I've read that the four wire ones work better as they pre-heat and thus reduce the cold running issues.
Some sources also say if you put it too close after a turbo they willl burn up - for some unknown reason it'shotter after a turbo than just the manifold. Mines about 300mm after the trubo, so I'll have to wait and see...
Gazza
Some sources also say if you put it too close after a turbo they willl burn up - for some unknown reason it'shotter after a turbo than just the manifold. Mines about 300mm after the trubo, so I'll have to wait and see...
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Hi, Gazza
Belated welcome back ....
Yes that too - faster to respond upon initial start-up. Here is the link to my (nearly) sole source of truth on the matter
http://mymiata.paladinmicro.com/Miata4-WireO2.htm
(plus some advice from Glen who confirmed that the output range for all of them is 0 - 1 V or thereabouts).
So hopefully it's reasonably accurate technically - digging back through to distant memories as a chemical engineer it seems OK.
Driveability results are heaps better than I'd expected too. Throttle over-run is now smoother (had had a slight variation which I put down to lightened flywheel) & droopy idle is completely gone (verified again today)
Regards,
Belated welcome back ....
Yes that too - faster to respond upon initial start-up. Here is the link to my (nearly) sole source of truth on the matter
http://mymiata.paladinmicro.com/Miata4-WireO2.htm
(plus some advice from Glen who confirmed that the output range for all of them is 0 - 1 V or thereabouts).
So hopefully it's reasonably accurate technically - digging back through to distant memories as a chemical engineer it seems OK.
Driveability results are heaps better than I'd expected too. Throttle over-run is now smoother (had had a slight variation which I put down to lightened flywheel) & droopy idle is completely gone (verified again today)
Regards,
Greg
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