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Kieran · Post by **Kieran** » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:22 pm

Why not special brownies

chris · Post by **chris** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:50 am

@Kieran...

Special brownies...

Anyway - I will update the auction today, Warrior and Snapfrozen, don't act like such tools on a $200 bar.

If you want safety you cannot expect it for $200.

chris · Post by **chris** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:54 am

And it's updated.

Any more issues contact me on here.

2low2c · Post by **2low2c** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:32 am

people have the right to call a bar what ever they want i don't see these same questions apeering on ross's ad which is list ed as a roll bar.
in my opinion a bar the back stays is a rollbar it is stronger than without.
if you want a track legal bar you only have to ask if it is msnz legal.
not all track day bars can be homologated.

chris · Post by **chris** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:35 am

^ Thank you.

Anywho it's all been updated.

warrior · Post by **warrior** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:41 am

If you read ross,s add it says that it is a style bar. Read it again

2low2c · Post by **2low2c** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:51 am

it is titled as a rollbar in the wording of the add it says style bar and further on says rollbar.

NicF · Post by **NicF** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:25 pm

I bought a style bar from ross some time back that was only ever referred to as a roll bar in his advertising. I didn't expect anything more than I got, based on the price, and i wasn't upset at all by it being referred to as a roll bar.

I don't think there was anything wrong with referring to these ads as roll bars. When I was shopping for mine, I was just looking for something that looked like a roll bar, I'd never even heard the term style bar at that stage. If mine had been referred to as a style bar I possibly wouldn't have even found it.

Bottom line, whatever it's called, anyone who buys a "rollbar" for $200 and expects it to save his life deserves a Darwin Award. It's his own fault, not that of the advertiser, IMO.

chris · Post by **chris** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:31 pm

NicF wrote:I bought a style bar from ross some time back that was only ever referred to as a roll bar in his advertising. I didn't expect anything more than I got, based on the price, and i wasn't upset at all by it being referred to as a roll bar.

I don't think there was anything wrong with referring to these ads as roll bars. When I was shopping for mine, I was just looking for something that looked like a roll bar, I'd never even heard the term style bar at that stage. If mine had been referred to as a style bar I possibly wouldn't have even found it.

Bottom line, whatever it's called, anyone who buys a "rollbar" for $200 and expects it to save his life deserves a Darwin Award. It's his own fault, not that of the advertiser, IMO.

Thank you Nic.

This is the point I had been trying to get across.

Furai · Post by **Furai** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:39 pm

If I bought some seats that were advertised as Bride and they werent or wheels that were advertised as Rays that were fakes I wouldnt be happy would you?

To be honest this is even worse. Yes you need to do your own research and be sure about what you are buying but If someone buys this as a rollbar and it mouse traps them or kills them how are you going to feel?

That example is a little on the extreme side but the difference between a rollbar and style bar is life and death in a crash I dont think keeping one word in an advertisement is worth that, do you?

NicF · Post by **NicF** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:07 pm

If I found some seats that were advertised as Brides but were half the expected price and obviously mounted differently then yes I would be happy, if they suited MY purpose and were the right price.

I think Furai would have a good point if they were advertised as Harddog or MSNZ approved or even if the ad made exaggerated saftey claims but I haven't seen that.

TehAshleigh · Post by **TehAshleigh** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:14 pm

Furai wrote:If I bought some seats that were advertised as Bride and they werent ... I wouldnt be happy would you?

I sure as hell wouldnt be and we all know someone that sure as hell wasnt.

Furai · Post by **Furai** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:27 pm

NicF wrote:If I found some seats that were advertised as Brides but were half the expected price and obviously mounted differently then yes I would be happy, if they suited MY purpose and were the right price.

I think Furai would have a good point if they were advertised as Harddog or MSNZ approved or even if the ad made exaggerated saftey claims but I haven't seen that.

I guess what Im saying is if someone advertises a Roll bar or Roll cage you would expect it to be sufficient in a rollover. I wouldn't go not changing one word in an advertisment at the sake of another persons safety.

chris · Post by **chris** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:27 pm

Yeah - I got ripped with my replica brides because he claimed them as "genuine"

If I were to claim this bar was "MSNZ" approved then yeah I will be lying.

I am not claiming this bar to be anything it isn't.

chris · Post by **chris** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:29 pm

Furthermore. If ANYONE expects a $200 bar to protect them in the event of a roll over, they are (as Nic stated) in the running for a darwin award.

You get what you pay for. If we had this listed at $500 explaining that this was a solid roll bar designed for track and race use. Then yes. I would happily change that statement.

Fact is I'm not am I?

Furai · Post by **Furai** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:30 pm

chris wrote:Yeah - I got ripped with my replica brides because he claimed them as "genuine"

If I were to claim this bar was "MSNZ" approved then yeah I will be lying.

I am not claiming this bar to be anything it isn't.

I guess what Im saying is if someone advertises a Roll bar or Roll cage you would expect it to be sufficient in a rollover. It doesnt have to be MSNZ approved but be able to support forces over the weight of the vehicle in a rollover.

Do you think this bar would do that(I Havent seen it so couldnt say)?

chris · Post by **chris** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:33 pm

It would offer more rollover protection than what the cars offer now.

Will I make any claims for saving a life? Wouldn't have a clue.

What I will say is the bar is fairly well made. I stand by the title.

Furai · Post by **Furai** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:34 pm

chris wrote:Furthermore. If ANYONE expects a $200 bar to protect them in the event of a roll over, they are (as Nic stated) in the running for a darwin award.

You get what you pay for. If we had this listed at $500 explaining that this was a solid roll bar designed for track and race use. Then yes. I would happily change that statement.

Fact is I'm not am I?

Price shouldn't change suitability. Its still false advertising.

If some new person joined the forum and didnt know anything and though "Oh here is a roll bar! $200 I will buy it and go to track days"

They didnt know any better, is that their fault you incorrectly advertised it?

Should everyone automatically know that rollbars should cost more?

To me that seems like a bit of a prick move. False advertise and then assume others should know better and its their own fault.

Furai · Post by **Furai** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:35 pm

chris wrote:It would offer more rollover protection than what the cars offer now.

Will I make any claims for saving a life? Wouldn't have a clue.

What I will say is the bar is fairly well made. I stand by the title.

Could you post a picture so I can see it?

Some style bars are even worse than nothing as they can collapse and pin you in like a mouse trap or even puncture the fuel tank.

chris · Post by **chris** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:37 pm

Furai wrote:
chris wrote:Furthermore. If ANYONE expects a $200 bar to protect them in the event of a roll over, they are (as Nic stated) in the running for a darwin award.

You get what you pay for. If we had this listed at $500 explaining that this was a solid roll bar designed for track and race use. Then yes. I would happily change that statement.

Fact is I'm not am I?
Price shouldn't change suitability. Its still false advertising.

If some new person joined the forum and didnt know anything and though "Oh here is a roll bar! $200 I will buy it and go to track days"

They didnt know any better, is that their fault you incorrectly advertised it?

Should everyone automatically know that rollbars should cost more?

To me that seems like a bit of a prick move. False advertise and then assume others should know better and its their own fault.

Jesus christ.

This is a sale that my fucking dad was trying to make.

This is not false advertising.

Read the auction again. Tell me how I am advertising it incorrectly. Please.

If someone thinks that someone can make a bar for less than $200 and it will be safe then that's a pretty nutty move.

Also - this bar has had the "okay" for track use at Hampton.

Did I agree with that? Nope.

9 out of 10 people that own a mx5 DO NOT track it. They daily drive it.

Would this bar give me more confidence being on the road? Yes it would.

chris · Post by **chris** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:38 pm

Furai wrote:
chris wrote:It would offer more rollover protection than what the cars offer now.

Will I make any claims for saving a life? Wouldn't have a clue.

What I will say is the bar is fairly well made. I stand by the title.
Could you post a picture so I can see it?

Some style bars are even worse than nothing as they can collapse and pin you in like a mouse trap or even puncture the fuel tank.

Will post a picture tonight.

This will not give the mousetrap effect, and if it would I would have listed it as a style bar.
This will also not puncture the tank.

I will post photos once I am home tonight.

TehAshleigh · Post by **TehAshleigh** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:40 pm

chris wrote:Furthermore. If ANYONE expects a $200 bar to protect them in the event of a roll over, they are (as Nic stated) in the running for a darwin award.

You get what you pay for.

Chris, in all honesty ive never looked up roll bars and style bars. Before i bought the mx5, i wouldnt know the difference from a bar of soap. I have minimal knowledge - ill admit that.

What im trying to say is that without help i have no idea of whats properly safe - until someone else advises me or i go out and research, i have no help.

Im not digging at you or anything - but whats to stop someone like me buying this thinking it was a roll bar? There are people out there that dont know. Thats all warrior and snapfrozen were trying to say.

chris · Post by **chris** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:42 pm

TehAshleigh wrote:
chris wrote:Furthermore. If ANYONE expects a $200 bar to protect them in the event of a roll over, they are (as Nic stated) in the running for a darwin award.

You get what you pay for.
Chris, in all honesty ive never looked up roll bars and style bars. Before i bought the mx5, i wouldnt know the difference from a bar of soap. I have minimal knowledge - ill admit that.

What im trying to say is that without help i have no idea of whats properly safe - until someone else advises me or i go out and research, i have no help.

Im not digging at you or anything - but whats to stop someone like me buying this thinking it was a roll bar? There are people out there that dont know. Thats all warrior and snapfrozen were trying to say.

As I said, feel free to read the auction.

I do not claim that this will save you in a roll bar. I claim nothing of the sort.

If you were to get into track racing I would assume that you would do some research and reading (like Furai did) and get a bar welded in.

Would that not make sense?

Furai · Post by **Furai** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:45 pm

chris wrote: Jesus christ.

This is a sale that my fucking dad was trying to make.

This is not false advertising.

Read the auction again. Tell me how I am advertising it incorrectly. Please.

If someone thinks that someone can make a bar for less than $200 and it will be safe then that's a pretty nutty move.

Also - this bar has had the "okay" for track use at Hampton.

Did I agree with that? Nope.

9 out of 10 people that own a mx5 DO NOT track it. They daily drive it.

Would this bar give me more confidence being on the road? Yes it would.

I was going off the original post in this thread not the updated auction.

You seem to be on the fence on what it is in the auction(Roll bar is the title but you say your not sure?) but it bolts to a 1-2mm thick piece of flat sheet metal over the fuel tank. Can you safely say that would support your car upside down?

If you have a crash road or track its the same result, a rollbar is a rollbar road or track.

When my rollbar was inspected at Hampton it was okayed but if it had bolted to the parcel shelf the track manager said he wouldnt have passed it and stated this clearly in an email I sent to him before getting mine made. It may have slipped under the radar.

warrior · Post by **warrior** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:17 pm

Chris, please don't post a picture. This has gone way to far already. I was just concerned someone may get hurt, that's all, end of story.

I was NOT trying to be an ass or cause anyone any trouble.

Please Chris lets just let this one die now?l

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