at 170kmh

[Martin Harms]

Graeme H wrote:

From my experience workin' ambulances, at 170kmh you'll need more

than a stif-neck...you'll need a spatula and a bucket :0D

Graeme H

What I can not understand is: How do most Germans seem to survive
driving on their motorway?
Or even more puzzling: How do some folks seem to survive flying to
Australia at speeds aproaching 1000km/h?
Are they a different breed?
Have we been led wrong by the authorities?

Maybe speed does not kill after all???

Confused -(and frightened)
Martin

[John Forsyth]

Martin,

You haven't been listening to Andy Knackerless.
You need a 40 tonne B-train and then you are safe at 100+ kph.

John Forsyth
BCG191 (silver of course)


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From: e-admin@mx5club.org.nz [mailto:e-admin@mx5club.org.nz] On Behalf Of
Martin Harms
Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2005 10:00
To: MX5List
Subject: at 170kmh


Graeme H wrote:

From my experience workin' ambulances, at 170kmh you'll need more than a

stif-neck...you'll need a spatula and a bucket :0D

Graeme H

What I can not understand is: How do most Germans seem to survive driving on
their motorway?
Or even more puzzling: How do some folks seem to survive flying to Australia
at speeds aproaching 1000km/h?
Are they a different breed?
Have we been led wrong by the authorities?

Maybe speed does not kill after all???


Confused -(and frightened)

Martin

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It's not the speed - it the way you stop.


I'm on the same page as everyone else in regard to the obvious revenue
generating by our Police - ticketing people a few K over the limit, and
putting speed traps at the end of overtaking lanes etc.


However - and I know that this has been covered in depth (several times)
but 170 on a public road in NZ is simply stupid. You can be as clever
as you like with witty (or with less wit and simply rude) comebacks -
but the simple fact is you risk your life (and the lives of others)
doing this.


Personally, I get a lot of enjoyment and knowledge from this forum - but
I am getting sick of the rubbish bragging about driving at horrendously
excess speed (it makes you look like a fool - not a hero) and the flames
/ post that come after them.


While I am on my high-horse I have also noted that some posts by some
members (some to new members) are rude - there really isn't any reason
for it.


Lets try to keep it friendly!


Chris


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From: e-admin@mx5club.org.nz [mailto:e-admin@mx5club.org.nz] On Behalf
Of Martin Harms
Sent: 20 July 2005 10:00
To: MX5List
Subject: at 170kmh


Graeme H wrote:

>From my experience workin' ambulances, at 170kmh you'll need
more than a stif-neck...you'll need a spatula and a bucket :0D

Graeme H

What I can not understand is: How do most Germans seem to survive
driving on their motorway?

Or even more puzzling: How do some folks seem to survive flying to
Australia at speeds aproaching 1000km/h?

Are they a different breed?

Have we been led wrong by the authorities?

Maybe speed does not kill after all???

Confused -(and frightened)

Martin

[karlncas]

I saw a documentary on the german autobahrns a while ago and from what I
remember they went to great cost to ensure the road was as straight as
possible and also the construction of the road its self was designed to let
the rain water run through it rather than flow off to the side minimising
puddles and damage on the road and I am guessing reduceing the oily deposits
from cars. Also the road construction was so far superior to ours that pot
holes and road damage was near non existent.

There was a lot more involved than what I can recollect but if the roading
and its contitions were far superior than that of our poor excuse for roads
then it is pretty obviouse that there would be less fatalities even at there
greater speeds


Karl and Cassandra Blumenthal

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From: e-admin@mx5club.org.nz [mailto:e-admin@mx5club.org.nz] On Behalf Of
Martin Harms
Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2005 10:00 a.m.
To: MX5List
Subject: at 170kmh


Graeme H wrote:

From my experience workin' ambulances, at 170kmh you'll need more than a

stif-neck...you'll need a spatula and a bucket :0D

Graeme H

What I can not understand is: How do most Germans seem to survive driving on
their motorway?

Or even more puzzling: How do some folks seem to survive flying to Australia
at speeds aproaching 1000km/h?

Are they a different breed?

Have we been led wrong by the authorities?

Maybe speed does not kill after all???

Confused -(and frightened)

Martin

[karlncas]

Karl wrote:


That man deserves a DB


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From: e-admin@mx5club.org.nz [mailto:e-admin@mx5club.org.nz] On Behalf Of
Chris Tankard
Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2005 10:23 a.m.
To: MX5List
Subject: RE: at 170kmh


It's not the speed - it the way you stop.


I'm on the same page as everyone else in regard to the obvious revenue
generating by our Police - ticketing people a few K over the limit, and
putting speed traps at the end of overtaking lanes etc.


However - and I know that this has been covered in depth (several times) but
170 on a public road in NZ is simply stupid. You can be as clever as you
like with witty (or with less wit and simply rude) comebacks - but the
simple fact is you risk your life (and the lives of others) doing this.


Personally, I get a lot of enjoyment and knowledge from this forum - but I
am getting sick of the rubbish bragging about driving at horrendously excess
speed (it makes you look like a fool - not a hero) and the flames / post
that come after them.


While I am on my high-horse I have also noted that some posts by some
members (some to new members) are rude - there really isn't any reason for
it.


Lets try to keep it friendly!


Chris


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From: e-admin@mx5club.org.nz [mailto:e-admin@mx5club.org.nz] On Behalf Of
Martin Harms
Sent: 20 July 2005 10:00
To: MX5List
Subject: at 170kmh


Graeme H wrote:

From my experience workin' ambulances, at 170kmh you'll need more than a

stif-neck...you'll need a spatula and a bucket :0D

Graeme H

What I can not understand is: How do most Germans seem to survive driving on
their motorway?

Or even more puzzling: How do some folks seem to survive flying to Australia
at speeds aproaching 1000km/h?

Are they a different breed?

Have we been led wrong by the authorities?

Maybe speed does not kill after all???

Confused -(and frightened)

Martin


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Attention:

[garry]

Hi Guys,

Just cause its no longer safe to do so doesn't mean there wasn't a time when
it was safe to travel at excessive speed on our roads its just getting from a
to be there is no hero factor.
im one of those guys who liked to speed and you would be hard pressed to keep
up with me if you were only doing 170 but the road condition hits this one on
the head its not the drivers its just plain revenue gathering combined with a
road system that was never designed let alone designed for the traffic flow it
has on it these days, if they keep on blaming the motorist and speed no one
will think of asking them to upgrade the roads to a safe condition.

Garry

[Grant]

Surely the point of owning and enjoying the MX5 is not the high speed you
can manage but the way it handles the windy bits...very enjoyable.
If you want speed then go get a WRX or EVO perhaps.
I don't think any of the public roads I travel here (and most other parts of
NZ) are capable of safely travelling at 170k but then I'm an old 50+ fogey.
I love speed, but in the right places.
Closed roads are definitely ok of course.
Grant.

[garry]

Hi Grant,

You know how it handles the windy bits, well let me tell you its so much
more auxillerating in those windy bits when you foot is flat on the floor in
top gear, funny thing is it handles those windy bit just as well, I doubt an
evo or wrx would keep up in the corners.

Garry

[Bill Rehm]

To all who are "black or white" thinkers: Dr David D Burns would have a
field day with you!

Contrary to those of you who apparently think in only "black or white"
terms (and are likely Green or Labour Party members as well). Look at
this issue from a factual perspective:

1. An MX5 IS capable of SAFELY travelling at 170kms/hr
2. There ARE SOME roads in NZ where you CAN safely be driven at
170kms/hr - and in the process only place at risk the driver's welfare -
just like being on a track
3. AND, there ARE SOME people who have the skills to drive an MX5 at
that speed without pissing in their pants or requiring a valium!

What makes #1 through #3 above fact? Simply because it HAS BEEN DONE,
and it's been done more than once. NOT on any or every day, NOT on any
or every NZ road, NOT every or at any time, NOT in any or every MX5, and
NOT by any or every MX5 driver!

I can't believe how so many people can repeatedly intellectually
masturbate this issue which has so many "shades of grey" and variables
associated with it. Yet these individuals zealously defend what is in
reality nothing more than their own personally biased, subjective
opinion.

To those individuals this applies to feel free to have your personally
biased, subjective opinion. Also have fun typing away in your attempt to
zealously defend and/or justify that opinion. On the other hand, I might
be forgiven for thinking you have something in common with those who
strap plastic explosives around their waists and pull a detonator cord!
It's just a matter of degree.

May I suggest these "black or white" thinkers read Dr Burns highly
regarded handbook - an indispensable guide to help change thinking which
also teaches how to remove the mental obstacles that bar you from
success.

PS: Speaking personally for myself, I would never expect to go to heaven
or for that matter would I suddenly scream "Allah is great" if ALL of #1
through #3 above turned out not to be a reality at any one moment in
time. Simply because even a Space Shuttle can fail - of course it has
over 2 million moveable parts and there is something called "laws of
probabilities".

William

Provocateurs of
Corporate Performance and Personal Growth!

KASE Consulting Group Ltd.
www.kase.co.nz
bill@kase.co.nz
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[lyndonp]

Dr. Burns - I remember him! Short bloke...Smoked a big cigar...

[poison]

Yeh, He played a Major didn't he, but I preferred Hawkeye.

[1Miata]

What have Niki Lauda and Hotlips in common?

Both @#$%ed by major burns

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From: e-admin@mx5club.org.nz [mailto:e-admin@mx5club.org.nz] On Behalf Of
Gazza
Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2005 6:55 p.m.
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Subject: Re: at 170kmh


Yeh, He played a Major didn't he, but I preferred Hawkeye.

[lyndonp]

I was thinking of the old comedian. For some reason 'laughable' came to mind
as I was reading.

[Ken McNoe]

Oh my god!!! I just can't believe that there are people out there who
honestly believe that "they are safe to drive at 170kph, its the less
experienced people that crash!!!"

PLEASE!!! GROW UP!!!

Any one who debates that this is a "safe" speed only has to spend a
Saturday night in a major emergency department to realise that maybe it
isn't.

I totally agree with Gazza, in my experience the people who drive at
excessive speed in an unsafe manor (that come unstuck!) are normally
older/middle aged men who currently have, have wanted, or want to prove
that their car is faster than, a Porsche.


Ken McNoe

Phone: 09 483 8237
Mobile: 021 536 911

[EricW]

A real pity, I thought we had got over this one.

Since there are those amongst us who like to justify their position by using
out of context quotations, let me give you one, from the front page of the
"instruction book" for something really fast, for which I once had a licence,
The Learjet 35.

"Superior Flying consists of the exercise of Superior Judgement, to avoid the
unecessary use of Superior Skill"

It seems to me that this applies equally to superior driving.

It therefore follows that, if one does not exercise superior judgement, then
whether one posseses or uses "Superior Skills" or otherwise, one cannot
describe oneself as a "Superior Driver"

Are we, in this case, using superior judgement?

Consider the facts,

1. The legal speed limit, like it or not, is 100 km/h
2. The penalty for travelling at 170 km/h is likely to be in excess of $1000
and a minimum 6 month walk
3. The effect of this penalty on one's life and business, even if the fine is
a mere bagatelle to you, is likely to be far more costly
4. Your margin for error at that speed is miniscule, your margin for anyone
else's error is non existent
5 Any mishap in an MX5, at that speed, will, if you are lucky, be fatal, if
you are not lucky it will probably involve a lifetime of pain and suffering,
and, what is worse, regret.
6. The effect of such a mishap on one's family and loved ones is devastating
and irrecoverable.

As many of you know, I have some little experience in this area. I have
explained the effects of 4, 5 & 6 to a number of very recent widows.

Is placing one'self deliberately in this position "exercising superior
judgement"? If it is not, then, plainly, the person who advocates this is not
a "Superior Driver" and since he is not, why are we bothering with his
opinions?

That, I am sure you will be pleased to know, is my last comment on the
subject.

Regards to you all

Eric West

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hmm... my original post seems to have been blocked.

So here is a cut and paste with a slight amendment - sorry if I end up double
posting.

===================

I know I said we should keep it friendly, but ...(and I know that this may
get me banned - but hey)

Bill, you are possibly a simpleton or a f__kwit - but the fact that you are
unhinged is obvious to all but yourself.

I know in your warped, distorted view of reality you really believe what you
wrote. This changes it from being funny to being sad.

Good luck with your driving - with your skill I am sure you will get the
drivers seat in the A1 series.

Should you crash (caused by someone without your god-like skills) I only hope
that you don't take out anyone else with you.

Chris.

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From: e-admin@mx5club.org.nz on behalf of Bill Rehm
Sent: Wed 20/07/2005 6:16 p.m.
To: 'MX5List'
Subject: RE: at 170kmh


To all who are "black or white" thinkers: Dr David D Burns would have a field
day with you!

Contrary to those of you who apparently think in only "black or white" terms
(and are likely Green or Labour Party members as well). Look at this issue
from a factual perspective:

1. An MX5 IS capable of SAFELY travelling at 170kms/hr
2. There ARE SOME roads in NZ where you CAN safely be driven at 170kms/hr -
and in the process only place at risk the driver's welfare - just like being
on a track
3. AND, there ARE SOME people who have the skills to drive an MX5 at that
speed without pissing in their pants or requiring a valium!

What makes #1 through #3 above fact? Simply because it HAS BEEN DONE, and it's
been done more than once. NOT on any or every day, NOT on any or every NZ
road, NOT every or at any time, NOT in any or every MX5, and NOT by any or
every MX5 driver!

I can't believe how so many people can repeatedly intellectually masturbate
this issue which has so many "shades of grey" and variables associated with
it. Yet these individuals zealously defend what is in reality nothing more
than their own personally biased, subjective opinion.

To those individuals this applies to feel free to have your personally biased,
subjective opinion. Also have fun typing away in your attempt to zealously
defend and/or justify that opinion. On the other hand, I might be forgiven for
thinking you have something in common with those who strap plastic explosives
around their waists and pull a detonator cord! It's just a matter of
degree...

May I suggest these "black or white" thinkers read Dr Burns highly regarded
handbook - an indispensable guide to help change thinking which also teaches
how to remove the mental obstacles that bar you from success.

PS: Speaking personally for myself, I would never expect to go to heaven or
for that matter would I suddenly scream "Allah is great" if ALL of #1 through
#3 above turned out not to be a reality at any one moment in time. Simply
because even a Space Shuttle can fail - of course it has over 2 million
moveable parts and there is something called "laws of probabilities".

William

Provocateurs of
Corporate Performance and Personal Growth!

KASE Consulting Group Ltd.
www.kase.co.nz
bill@kase.co.nz
T: 64 9 523 5238
M: 64 21 366 999
F: 64 9 523 2619

[Ken McNoe]

Once again Eric you have proved to be the voice of reason, and I am sure
you will remember your first high speed impact fatality, just like every
one of us involved in the emergency services field.. Oh and the Learjet
thing is just COOL!!!

Ken McNoe

Phone: 09 483 8237
Mobile: 021 536 911

[karlncas]

Don't be such a HATER, you are the only one in this forum who seems to
always be putting a negative spin on any subject, maybe a trip to the local
massage parlour will do you a world of good.


Just relax and stop winding everybody up


Karl And Cassandra Blumenthal


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From: e-admin@mx5club.org.nz [mailto:e-admin@mx5club.org.nz] On Behalf Of
Bill Rehm
Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2005 6:17 p.m.
To: 'MX5List'
Subject: RE: at 170kmh


To all who are "black or white" thinkers: Dr David D Burns would have a
field day with you!


Contrary to those of you who apparently think in only "black or white" terms
(and are likely Green or Labour Party members as well). Look at this issue
from a factual perspective:


1. An MX5 IS capable of SAFELY travelling at 170kms/hr

2. There ARE SOME roads in NZ where you CAN safely be driven at 170kms/hr
- and in the process only place at risk the driver's welfare - just like
being on a track

3. AND, there ARE SOME people who have the skills to drive an MX5 at that
speed without pissing in their pants or requiring a valium!


What makes #1 through #3 above fact? Simply because it HAS BEEN DONE, and
it's been done more than once. NOT on any or every day, NOT on any or every
NZ road, NOT every or at any time, NOT in any or every MX5, and NOT by any
or every MX5 driver!


I can't believe how so many people can repeatedly intellectually masturbate
this issue which has so many "shades of grey" and variables associated with
it. Yet these individuals zealously defend what is in reality nothing more
than their own personally biased, subjective opinion.


To those individuals this applies to feel free to have your personally
biased, subjective opinion. Also have fun typing away in your attempt to
zealously defend and/or justify that opinion. On the other hand, I might be
forgiven for thinking you have something in common with those who strap
plastic explosives around their waists and pull a detonator cord! It's just
a matter of degree.


May I suggest these "black or white" thinkers read Dr Burns highly regarded
handbook - an indispensable guide to help change thinking which also teaches
how to remove the mental obstacles that bar you from success.


PS: Speaking personally for myself, I would never expect to go to heaven or
for that matter would I suddenly scream "Allah is great" if ALL of #1
through #3 above turned out not to be a reality at any one moment in time.
Simply because even a Space Shuttle can fail - of course it has over 2
million moveable parts and there is something called "laws of
probabilities".


William


Provocateurs of

Corporate Performance and Personal Growth!


KASE Consulting Group Ltd.

www.kase.co.nz

bill@kase.co.nz

T: 64 9 523 5238

M: 64 21 366 999

F: 64 9 523 2619

[lyndonp]

Actually, I'm a superior driver. I know that because of the all positive
responses I get to my driving whenever I travel down south. I always seem to
get a long line of admirers behind me on the open road - all, no doubt,
marvelling at my superior skill. And then they are all really eager to catch
up with me on the passing lanes and give me a friendly wave. Yes, I think I
must be a superior driver. Nothing deluded or delusional about my thinking.

[MN]

Yep I was doing 170+ several times just a few weeks ago along some back roads
around Tauranga/Cambridge/ Rotorua and two up.

But there again we did have a full roll cage, were dressed in full safety
gear, strapped in with proper race harnesses, the roads were closed, the
following drivers were well briefed on what to do if they came upon an
accident, there was radio control not far away and full medical teams in close
proximity. It was also took full concentration.

The only time I will push my 5 to those speeds is on a legitimate MSNZ
sanctioned event.

[Ken McNoe]

Totally agree, maybe at the next MX5 event we could all have a raffle to
raise money to get Bill sha**ed. Would be worth it me thinks!!

Ken McNoe

Phone: 09 483 8237
Mobile: 021 536 911

[animalmagic]

What I can not understand is: How do most Germans seem to survive

driving on their motorway?

Same way everyone else does. The autobahns are mostly restricted, at
least where people regularly drive. The unrestricted sections are
few and far between and generally restricted by congestion. When
there is an accident, it is usually multicar, multideath and many
serious injuries. On the whole the Germans are good disciplined
drivers, but people are people and prone to gross stupidity wherever
they were born

170kph doesn't seem that fast to me, though I rarely speed these
days.


--

[Simon Lord]

With a name like Tankard, I suspect he already has one...

Simon

[Robyn and Rich]

GOTTA AGREE WITH YOU THERE,,YOU GOTTA BE NUTS TO THINK YOU CAN
DRIVE@170K. SAFELY... THERE'S TOO MANY X FACTORS THAN CAN OCCUR,, AND
RUIN THE LIVES OF TOO MANY PEOPLE... AND BY THE WAY,, AM GETTING
SICK OF READING ABOUT THIS... (sorry)

[Vince]

Bill, it sounds like you're the one doing the intellectual masturbating. I
think we've heard enough of this subject, why don't you get a life and get on
with it, and leave this forum for what it was intended.

[lyndonp]

Its a bit difficult to have an opinion that isn't "personally biased and
subjective". Isn't that what any opinion is?