Track days

Skilfil · Post by **Skilfil** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:55 pm

Kieran wrote:
Donovan wrote:something like this?

https://www.flyinmiata.com/index.php?de ... 200%20DIAG
If your going to ship a roll bar from the states dont get a harddog get a blackbird fabworx they are so much nicer!

http://www.blackbirdfabworx.com/

Wow thats pretty decent, I like the one with the harness bar.. Anyone else keen on shipping via container?

13r · Post by **13r** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 3:17 pm

Have a mate that is looking to build some bolt in roll bars.
Price would be around $500 ($600 for chromoly)

Design would be based off of the Hard dog design or the GT3-4 point one from Black Bird

Just need to see what sort of interest there is

Snapfrozen · Post by **Snapfrozen** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 3:46 pm

To note. Said guy has built homologated cages, so not some bloke with welding gear

Kieran · Post by **Kieran** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:02 pm

Absolutely keen if they look like the GT3 bar!!!

tomtikki · Post by **tomtikki** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:58 pm

Seems very reasonable!
Although I'm really after the HD style.
https://www.flyinmiata.com/index.php?de ... 200%20DIAG
I like to be able to put up the soft top with one hand.

Timmo · Post by **Timmo** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:17 pm

Is it compatible with the NB glass rear window?

Snapfrozen · Post by **Snapfrozen** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:23 pm

Timmo wrote:Is it compatible with the NB glass rear window?

We'll be test fitting it on mine which has a hard top, no soft top in though. You are welcome to shoot past once we've got them made up (Pending interest/$$) and test fit it in an NB

tomtikki · Post by **tomtikki** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:28 pm

So I emailed Hampton Downs about this need for a roll bar as it nothing is mentioned about it on their website - & it's a pretty big thing to miss out if we do need one!

Their answer:

Hi Tom,

Thanks for the email.
You are welcome to participate in a convertible, however you can’t carry
passengers without a MANS approved roll cage.

Kindest regards,

Claire Roberts
Business Manager

Hampton Downs MotorSport Park & Convention/Events Centre | Hampton
Downs Rd, Waikato 3782
DDI 09 280 6504 | MBL 027 388 2210 | www.hamptondowns.com

tomtikki · Post by **tomtikki** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:31 pm

But I still am seriously interested in one of these bars - even though it appears we dont need one.

Timmo · Post by **Timmo** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:29 pm

Nice work

Lets see if we can get a good crew together for it?

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:06 pm

tomtikki wrote:So I emailed Hampton Downs about this need for a roll bar as it nothing is mentioned about it on their website - & it's a pretty big thing to miss out if we do need one!

Their answer:

Hi Tom,

Thanks for the email.
You are welcome to participate in a convertible, however you can’t carry
passengers without a MANS approved roll cage.

Kindest regards,

Claire Roberts
Business Manager

Hampton Downs MotorSport Park & Convention/Events Centre | Hampton
Downs Rd, Waikato 3782
DDI 09 280 6504 | MBL 027 388 2210 | www.hamptondowns.com

Those are Hamptons rules if you hire the track directly from them, if you are doing a Playday event you will need rollover protection. Email playday@playdayontrack.co.nz for info on their events

tomtikki · Post by **tomtikki** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:16 pm

I'm surprised if you right, as I was very specific in my email to them:

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Jay [mailto:tomtikki@orcon.net.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 11:04 p.m.
To: admin@hamptondowns.com
Subject: Play day restrictions

Hi there, I'm keen on taking part in a Play Day but I have a convertible.
Are there any specific rules for open top cars? A roll bar or something?

I've had a look on your website and while I couldn't find anything (except
making sure my brake fluid is good etc) I wanted to make sure.

Cheers for your time.
Regards, Tom J.
---------

I couldn't be any clearer with my question surely!

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:27 pm

No harm in sending playday and email, they are usually pretty quick in their replies, better to find out now, than spend $135, turn up there and they say that you can't run on the track.

I'd be surprised if playday told you that you didn't need roll over protection in an MX5, but you never know, I thought I was wrong once, but I mistaken.

tomtikki · Post by **tomtikki** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:32 pm

Ok I've gone through the PlayDay website and they have IDENTICAL wording as the Hampton Downs website!

Not having a go at you Donovan but if these guys have different rules their not making them apparent.
They even mention mx5's in their FAQ's regarding what type of vehicles go to them...
http://www.playdayontrack.co.nz/faqs.html

However I'd hate to get there and be turned away so I'll email this PlayDay crowd too.

tomtikki · Post by **tomtikki** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:35 pm

Donovan wrote: I thought I was wrong once, but I mistaken.

Nice, yeah I'll let y'all know what they come back with.

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:49 pm

No worries, I am just going by what I keep on getting told, but mind you, I wouldn't want to take my car out on the track without roll over protection, I get nervous in my car with just the roll over bar, should really put in at least a half cage.

Yeah, it is a bit stink that they say about roll over protection for open tops and then not put it on their website.

Angreal · Post by **Angreal** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:51 pm

Donovan wrote:No worries, I am just going by what I keep on getting told, but mind you, I wouldn't want to take my car out on the track without roll over protection, I get nervous in my car with just the roll over bar, should really put in at least a half cage.

Yeah, it is a bit stink that they say about roll over protection for open tops and then not put it on their website.

Plus a convertible is still MUUUUCH safer than a motorbike and they let me ride around there on one

Timmo · Post by **Timmo** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:57 pm

Playday on track is not Hampton downs though. They are totally separate organisations/companies.

In other words, Hampton downs itself doesn't have any requirements for rollbars, but companies that organise track days might. 'Playday' events are organised by a company that does require them.

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:58 pm

Yeah, but a motor tends to slide away from you when you fall off it, and if I was going to have something land on me, I'd rather have a 200kg bike than a 1000kg car

Angreal · Post by **Angreal** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:04 pm

Donovan wrote:Yeah, but a motor tends to slide away from you when you fall off it, and if I was going to have something land on me, I'd rather have a 200kg bike than a 1000kg car

You do have a point.. You do separate from a bike unless you're unlucky

Timmo · Post by **Timmo** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:06 pm

I'd rather be surrounded by metal (i.e. in a car rather than on or off a motorbike) for the 90% of crashes that wouldn't involve a roll over

tomtikki · Post by **tomtikki** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:00 pm

Ok i got a reply from Tony at PlayDay Events....

Short version, yep we need a roll bar if it didn't come from the factory with one (NC?).

Well at least I know 100% either way now.

Cheers Donovan for PlayDay email address, shame they couldn't just put this basic info on their website.

Timmo · Post by **Timmo** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:04 pm

Snapfrozen wrote:
Timmo wrote:Is it compatible with the NB glass rear window?
We'll be test fitting it on mine which has a hard top, no soft top in though. You are welcome to shoot past once we've got them made up (Pending interest/$$) and test fit it in an NB

Ok- where are you based? Is one made up already?

SLYDIT · Post by **SLYDIT** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:00 pm

while im not knocking getting a bar made up, i think it is very important that the builder needs to understand the rather specific problems that a mx5 bar has to overcome.
like:
Getting the bar to fit around the hardtop latches and seatbelts.
having it fit without restricting seat travel.
getting the back stays to fit with the softop.
making it MSNZ legal.
no point having a cool new bar if your seatbelts wont retract and your hardtop wont clip on.
so far the hard dog and brown davis come the closest to fitting those criteria.
MSNZ havent made things any easier by mandating a 44mm main hoop now which gives us even lesss room to play with.

Skilfil · Post by **Skilfil** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:52 am

Well, who is keen on importing a few bars from the states via container? I'd be in.

Would we be able to order from different places and plan to send them all in the one container? Different people want different bars as above, Hard Dog, Brown Davis and those Blackbird Fabworx bars.

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