OH FFS! car wont start!

SLYDIT · Post by **SLYDIT** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:52 pm

so slydit is at my workshop while i give it some love, and one of the boys rings me and tells me the car wont start as they were putting it back in at the end of the day.

ive had a quick look and the fuel pump doesnt run when cranking BUT it does run if i jumer the diagnostic connector.
When i turn the key to ignition position i get the charge light but no check engine light..i cant remember if thats mormal or not..
to top it all off my mutimeter died so i couldnt check voltages...

any ideas? main relay? ECU fuse??

WideOpenThrottle · Post by **WideOpenThrottle** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:33 pm

Ask the boys what they been playing with?

SLYDIT · Post by **SLYDIT** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:53 pm

i did ask the young one "what the **** you do to it".
he hasnt had a good week so far, he ****ed up up a job and itll cost us a packet, so he already owes me a keg for the xmas do.

SLYDIT · Post by **SLYDIT** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:04 pm

after a bit of googling it seems that lack of check engine light may indicate a dodgy main relay located in the engine bay fuse box... i'll make a jumper and see if it starts.

hlau028 · Post by **hlau028** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:00 am

My roadster is having the same problem.

It will crank but have no spark, this has happened to me twice and the first time was due to the main relay in the fuse box being broken. I have just tested by borrowing my frds one and it started fine again so it is probably the same problem as before.

John Andrew Ford and Mazda quoted me $211 for a brand new one.

Is there anywhere we can get it cheaper??

SLYDIT · Post by **SLYDIT** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:43 pm

Can someone do me a favour and check their car for me. (na 1600's only please).
Turn the ignition on so your dash lights comeon. Does the check engine light come on and can you hear the fuel pump running?

Skilfil · Post by **Skilfil** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:12 pm

SLYDIT wrote:Can someone do me a favour and check their car for me. (na 1600's only please).
Turn the ignition on so your dash lights comeon. Does the check engine light come on and can you hear the fuel pump running?

Yep I notice mine doing it, was showing a mate last night.

Angreal · Post by **Angreal** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:22 pm

Skilfil wrote:Yep I notice mine doing it, was showering a mate last night.

<-- is how I read that... Had to do a double take with a 'what the hell were you doing last night?'

Guess it's time to invest in some reading glasses

SLYDIT · Post by **SLYDIT** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:10 pm

So you are saying that both the check light and fuel pump run when the key is turned. To the ignition position??????

Skilfil · Post by **Skilfil** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:19 pm

SLYDIT wrote:So you are saying that both the check light and fuel pump run when the key is turned. To the ignition position??????

Can't 100% confirm the check light, I know it comes on, but I think it goes off. My fuel pump does run however with just the key turned to ignition position.

My cars a 1.6 NA, at work at the mo so can't check unfortunately.

Angreal wrote:
Skilfil wrote:Yep I notice mine doing it, was showering a mate last night.
<-- is how I read that... Had to do a double take with a 'what the hell were you doing last night?'

Guess it's time to invest in some reading glasses

Might drive an MX5 but I'm not the stereotype

SLYDIT · Post by **SLYDIT** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:33 pm

anyone else want to help out?
turn ignition and report findings...Check engine light or not?

siren676 · Post by **siren676** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:46 pm

Just tried mine and the check engine light didnt come on. Only lights which came on were charge light and handbrake

SLYDIT · Post by **SLYDIT** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:52 pm

cool thanks for that.

na6*dori · Post by **na6*dori** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:24 pm

same, just handbrake and batt.

Nearly too late · Post by **Nearly too late** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:19 pm

Yea my 1990 the ign and handbrake lights are the only ones to come on

SLYDIT · Post by **SLYDIT** » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:01 pm

Looks like its an ignition problem. Only getting spark on 1 and 4 and not 2+3. I'll have to check tomorrow whether its an igniter or coil pack. Hope like hell its not an emanage channel.

na6*dori · Post by **na6*dori** » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:24 pm

SLYDIT wrote:Looks like its an ignition problem. Only getting spark on 1 and 4 and not 2+3. I'll have to check tomorrow whether its an igniter or coil pack. Hope like hell its not an emanage channel.

igniter module, mine had same lack of fire till i swapped it for a new one

SLYDIT · Post by **SLYDIT** » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:50 pm

i'll know for sure on monday. ive swapped the coild signals over from the ignitor so if its the ignitor it will swap the "not working" cylinders over.

SLYDIT · Post by **SLYDIT** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:16 pm

grrr still cant get car to start.

i have downloaded the wiring manual so if i ever get any spare time at work (not bloody likely at the moment) i'll have to trace all the power wiring and see why my fuelpump seems to have stopped working when switched to run.(works with diagnostic connector jumped)

anyone who has any spare parts such as main and fuel pump relays.ignitors/coilpacks etc please let me know so i can fault find this bitch.

WideOpenThrottle · Post by **WideOpenThrottle** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:58 pm

Just in case it helps

WideOpenThrottle · Post by **WideOpenThrottle** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:59 pm

And dont forget your AFM [if you have one].

SLYDIT · Post by **SLYDIT** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:37 pm

imrunning an RX7 afm. the fuel pump USED to run when i switched it to the run position but now it doesnt.
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE CONFIRM THAT THEIR MX PUMP RUNS WHEN SWITCHED TO THE RUN POSITION PLEASE PLEASE.

IF I jumper the diagnostic connector the pump runs when in run and start but the car still wont fire. i have power to the injectors/coils/ignitor /CAS/tps and one of the ecu wires (cant confirm all the 12v feeds to the ecu are there, i forgot there was more than one.)
tomorrow i will take my pld mx afm into work and plug it in and see what happens.

if anyone has any parts such as CAS/ignitor/coilpack/ECU that they dont mind lending out please let me know.

Angreal · Post by **Angreal** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:53 pm

SLYDIT wrote:imrunning an RX7 afm. the fuel pump USED to run when i switched it to the run position but now it doesnt.
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE CONFIRM THAT THEIR MX PUMP RUNS WHEN SWITCHED TO THE RUN POSITION PLEASE PLEASE.

IF I jumper the diagnostic connector the pump runs when in run and start but the car still wont fire. i have power to the injectors/coils/ignitor /CAS/tps and one of the ecu wires (cant confirm all the 12v feeds to the ecu are there, i forgot there was more than one.)
tomorrow i will take my pld mx afm into work and plug it in and see what happens.

if anyone has any parts such as CAS/ignitor/coilpack/ECU that they dont mind lending out please let me know.

I've got a NA8C ecu but it won't be of any use to you sorry

siren676 · Post by **siren676** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:54 pm

How hard is it to hear the pump? I can hear a relay click on for 5 secs or so when i turn the key to run

SLYDIT · Post by **SLYDIT** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:06 pm

my fp is loud...always has been. turn your radio off and listen in your garage. you probably have no hope outside on the road. you wont hear it with the engine running.

OH FFS! car wont start!

OH FFS! car wont start!

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