Silence is consensus

Mike Pearson - WYSIWYG... · Post by **Mike Pearson - WYSIWYG...** » Fri May 16, 2003 9:08 pm

Hi, the comment just made, is very applicable:
"In order for tyranny to succeed it only needs good men to do nothing."

You have more ways to influence decisions than one vote every three years.
The LTSA is being particularly approachable, by putting all their draft
rules on their website. If YOU do not make representation (write letters /
send emails) or make submissions (provide feedback during consultation),
then you'll have to live with the results.

Once it is regulation/law, it is harder to change, you have to make
representation to your MP or the agency.

The list of LTSA rules or proposed rules covers :
non-original number plates
non-original loud exhaust systems
loud horns
non-original tyres (more than 25mm wider than original)
non-original style bars
compulsory mudguards
visual display units (graphic equalisers, radar detectors)

The only debatable issue I've seen on this list, regarding police
enforcement of speed, is ticketing at the end of passing lanes. Presumably
implying you should only pass at 100km/h.

There is nothing to stop people making multiple submissions by doing it:-
- as a individual
- as part of the MX5 club
- as part of the AA

The problem is, as the group gets broader, your concern probably becomes
diluted. For instance, the issue of style bars being failed at WOF, is more
an MX5 club issue.

If you wish to make a submission against some of these proposed moves,
please see the submission link for the Vehicle Equipment rule changes -
http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/consultation/ve ... -form.html

Regards,

Keith Cook · Post by **Keith Cook** » Fri May 16, 2003 10:03 pm

I have taken your advice and made my comments. I still maintain that the best thing that could happen to the LTSA is decimation in the good old Roman style! Might have less time to sit and navel-gaze thinking up things to do which are largely not needed given a public with some common sense. Still, as they say, common sense is not all that common!

Chic & Morven · Post by **Chic & Morven** » Sat May 17, 2003 1:32 am

I've submitted my comments on Exhausts, but I couldn't find any mention of "non-original number plates", "Style bars" or "Loud Horns",
all of which affect me, can someone point me in the right direction?
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Grant · Post by **Grant** » Sat May 17, 2003 7:43 am

A bit confusing finding your way around the site and finding the right rules
etc. Then finding where to make the submissions! Seems to match the thinking
processes of the rule thinker uppers.

I suspect this is what you are looking for as part of rule 32017...

Audible warning devices

(clause 2.1)

Regulation 69 of the Traffic Regulations states that a motor

vehicle must be fitted with an audible warning device. The

draft Rule carries over this requirement.

The draft Rule does not specify operational constraints on the

use of these items of equipment; these are set out in the

proposed Land Transport (Road User) Rule (the Road User

Rule). For instance, the draft Road User Rule proposes that an

audible warning devices may only be used as a 'reasonable'

traffic warning and it must not make an unnecessary noise, or

a noise which is unreasonably loud, harsh or shrill. The

provisions currently contained in regulation 69 in relation to

audible security alarms have also been incorporated in the

draft Road User Rule.

How do you determine what is too 'loud, harsh or shrill'? I would have
thought that for a warning device, being loud, harsh or shrill would be an
advantage, especially when you are in a small vehicle. Perhaps we should
only drive with the roof down and if someone gets in the way, politely shout
'toot toot'. Not too loud though in case you frighten the horses.

My air horns are probably too loud, but then maybe I could rev the engine to
about 3500 revs and the exhaust noise might do the trick.

Grant in sunny Blenheim.

Mike Pearson - WYSIWYG... · Post by **Mike Pearson - WYSIWYG...** » Sat May 17, 2003 8:45 pm

Chic wrote:
I couldn't find any mention of
"non-original number plates", "Style bars" or "Loud Horns",

Number plates and Style bars are already rules. That's a case of writing to
MPs and doing some investigation on what they do overseas.

The submission form for "Loud Horns" and "exhausts" etc is here:
http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/consultation/ve ... -form.html

- Mike

Gary Morrison · Post by **Gary Morrison** » Mon May 19, 2003 10:26 am

Thanks. I have added my 2c. On Sat, 17 May 2003 20:45:38 +1200, Mike
Pearson - WYSIWYG Ltd wrote: >Chic wrote: > I couldn't find any mention
of > "non-original number plates", "Style bars" or "Loud Horns", Number
plates and Style bars are already rules. That's a case of writing to MPs
and doing some investigation on what they do overseas. The submission
form for "Loud Horns" and "exhausts" etc is here:
http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/consultation/ve ... ssion-form.
html - Mike