I made a big boo boo!

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I made a big boo boo!

Post by Shermio » Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:27 pm

:x Monday night (26th) at around 8:45pm going home to the northshore from the city... I was on the Victoria Park flyover and was traveling at around 80-89km/h come toward the end of the flyover I gained a little speed as it was sloping down but there was very, very light traffic... low and behold there was a 50km/h sign up on the light board and I lifted off the gas and was begining to slow down...

Then FLASH! right beside the light board... Yup I got a photo...

Im not denying I wasn't speeding but it wasn't over the top +10km/h... but with some cars behind me suddently going from 90km/h to 50km/h just seems mad and a recipe for a rear ender... Anyone who's travelled on the bridge at night with very light traffic will know this...

Ohhh well great lesson learnt... even though this class costed about $630...

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Post by peter » Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:17 pm

disputeit!
1/ ask for the original photo for your defence. Original, uncropped etc. Any other cars in the photo are grounds for "reasonable doubt" especially if you were being "tailgated" at the time (subtle hint)
2/ go to court, I would if someone owed me $630! Ask the police why the sign was lit for 50.... If they can't answer the judge "may" give you the benefit of the doubt... and ask the police how many other cars were photographed, and what the normal speed is at that location...

This is advice I've followed in the past, last time got a "declining to proceed with this case" from the taxman (sorry, police).
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Post by Shermio » Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:25 pm

Ohhh yeah I will definately ask for a photo...

The camera was going non-stop flashing as I looked in my rear view... :cry:

A few of my work mates got snapped as well....
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Post by Fletch » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:00 am

I was under the impression they werent supposed to have cameras too close to a change in speed zone... I mean, you can only reasonabl;y slow at a certain rate... if it was right next to a 100-50 change (and it was the first 50 sign, not another one before that you over-looked) then you'll probably get off.

Its at least worth the effort of writing a letter... You can quite often get off on something where you are technically in the wrong, but there is a reasonable explination/justification...

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Post by Shermio » Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:15 pm

I drove past where the camera was located and I beleve it was a total set-up....

Here's the situation:

1) The van was parked next to the speed board that lit up on the bit where the green fence ended and the small driveway was...

2) The 2 lanes closest to the left had arrows directing traffic to the 2 right lanes (I believe that if I had been on the left most lane the camera would not have been able to track and photograph my plates and I was too close)

3) There was no apparent road works going on at the time.

4) There was very light traffic (If I slowed down to the posted speed limit I would probably be carless right now with my rear end crumpled)

5) That camera was very busy that night as I looked in my rear view... I think every car that cam through was snapped...

I will see what the real damage is when I get the letter....

I don't know if a dangerous driving charge will follow (Apparently +36km/h) :cry:

I will probably obtain legal advice via a friend in the know as to what actions to take...

Ohhh well 1st speeding infringement ever in my 7 1/2 years of driving...
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I made a big boo boo!

Post by zorruno » Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:03 pm

on 30/06/2006 2:15 p.m. Shermio wrote:

I drove past where the camera was located and I beleve it was a total
set-up....
Set-up to catch people speeding? Surely not ;)
2) The 2 lanes closest to the left had arrows directing traffic to the 2
right lanes (I believe that if I had been on the left most lane the
camera would not have been able to track and photograph my plates and I
was too close)
don't be too sure. there is no 'tracking' involved, just a nice wide
angle camera with probably it least a 1/500th shutter or more, and lots
of light from a big orange strobe. If you are in front of the van, it
is likely you will be in the frame and in focus. In fact if you are
closer, it is less likely you could get off due to having 'other
vehicles' in the frame, and more likely they could interpret your number
plate.
5) That camera was very busy that night as I looked in my rear view... I
think every car that cam through was snapped...
You might be lucky - sometimes they rationalise the ticket sending and
only send to the fastest %age of people snapped. Just because you saw
a flash, does not necessarily mean you will get a ticket...
I don't know if a dangerous driving charge will follow (Apparently
+36km/h) :cry:
...but, if you were doing 36km over, you might just get one.
I will probably obtain legal advice via a friend in the know as to what
actions to take...
Don't stress until you get a ticket (then request the photo). If you
get one, you can either accept you were doing wrong and pay the fine, or
dispute it. I have had camera tickets before, but I pay them as I
accept I was breaking the law. I have disputed other things such as
missed Regos, and 'no front plate' tickets, as I don't see them as a
danger to others, and disputing these points of law is fun.

You may want to pay a lawyer if they charge you with dangerous driving -
but it depends on how much money & time you have to throw away vs how
much you value a spotless driving record.

Oh, and there are no 'rules' with regards to speed camera placement -
they can be put wherever they want. It started off with the only in
'speed camera area' signs, but there was no law around this - just a
general 'good faith' treatment of the issue by police. Also with the
'not too close to change in speed zone' thing. You could possibly use
it as an 'unfair' issue in a court case, but not an 'unlawful' or
'technicality' issue.
Ohhh well 1st speeding infringement ever in my 7 1/2 years of driving...
7 1/2 years driving?! Aren't you tired? ;) nyuk nyuk
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Post by zorruno » Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:23 am

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Post by Euen » Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:19 pm

One thing I have often wondered about is the legality of the illuminated speed signs on the harbour bridge and its approaches. Are they a legal speed restriction or only an advisory? I was under the impression that for a legal speed restriction to apply, the speed sign must be enclosed in a red circle. Any lawyers on the forum who could confirm. Eric. can you comment on this one.

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Post by Shermio » Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:35 pm

Update!!!

I guess the "NZ Police Infringement Bureau" had encountered some legal issues with regards to the placement of the camera and the "unreasonable change in speed" as I had a talk with a good friend of mine and have since then recieved a infringement ticket for $80 for going 92km/h in a 80km/h zone...

So all is good :D
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Re: I made a big boo boo!

Post by poison » Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:20 pm

Shermio wrote::x Monday night (26th) at around 8:45pm going home to the northshore from the city... I was on the Victoria Park flyover and was traveling at around 80-89km/h come toward the end of the flyover I gained a little speed as it was sloping down but there was very, very light traffic... low and behold there was a 50km/h sign up on the light board and I lifted off the gas and was begining to slow down...

Then FLASH! right beside the light board... Yup I got a photo...


:cry:
I was just wondering if anything came of this? I was under the impression that the 'lit up' overhead speed signs were a reccomended speed to reduce traffice congestion. Or at least that was what a NZ Herald article inferred a few years ago when they first put them up. There was a proposal to put them all along the busy parts of the motorway.
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Post by Shermio » Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:14 pm

I just recieved my $170 photo... I must say the quality of it isn't all that great... you can see my plates and style bar... nothing much else... very blury I might post it up when I have time :)
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Post by WRW » Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:46 pm

Shermio wrote:I just recieved my $170 photo... I must say the quality of it isn't all that great... you can see my plates and style bar... nothing much else... very blury I might post it up when I have time :)
You'd think at that price at least you'd get a decent photo :wink:
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Post by Fletch » Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:24 pm

A couple of years back, my father phoned up to "dispute" whether the car in the photo was actually ours.... what we'd been sent was fairly blurry, and although you could infer what letters/numbers were on the plate, it involved a bit of guessing....

The officer on the phone assured us what they have is far clearer than what they send out, and proceeded to read the details of a sticker on the back window of our car... letters that in real life are only 2-3cm tall. Dad decided not to bother disputing any further and payed up...

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Post by poison » Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:40 pm

So you think it's perhaps not a good idea to have a sticker on the back window saying "Traffic cops blow goats" then? :lol:
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Well here's the photo... ;)

Post by Shermio » Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:15 am

Enjoy....

Image
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Post by WRW » Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:30 pm

Image

Thats all you got? Ripoff!!!!! :lol:
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Post by Shermio » Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:34 pm

Haha yeah I would have thought they would include a frame or something...

It is great that the blue LED is not noticeable from the photo...

A good idea now is to place high intensity infrared LED's all around the plate... it will over expose the photo ;)

(Don't believe me? point your digi cam at a remote control and press the buttons... :D )

Hey they never said anything about your plates having to be photogenic ;)
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Post by WRW » Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:59 pm

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